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  Meaningful Study

  by Awake at last in

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  i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

  anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

  yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

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  Thank you Jhine for your comments.  I know what you are saying about Bibles other than the NWT.  It was actually interesting using the NWT and the NIV as the NIV used one different word in one scripture which changed things from the NWT a bit.  Mark who wrote the essay said about a Greek word used for that very change so I got out the Kingdom Interlinear Translation (never used it before) and I'm no Greek scholar but the word in Greek did look to me to be closer to the NIV word than the NWT word used.  Interesting I thought.  If I had abandoned the NWT, I would not have picked up on that.  It may seem silly, but I need to have confidence in other translations and compare for a while with the NWT before I completely put it aside, be patient with me.

  Thanks for your offer to pm you too.  I may just do that.
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  Meaningful Study

  by Awake at last in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

  anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

  yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

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  TPP I would be interested in the names of those websites you mentioned in the above post. 

  Love your cartoon picture.  Too true.  They look like Charles Dickens characters and about as enlightened too.
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  JW.org and recruitment

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?

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  In response to you Fay Dunaway, yes I went to their website just to check something.  I was inactive and didn't want to stir the pot by asking someone to bring mags to my house so went on to JW.com.  I couldn't find what I wanted as it happened so as I was leaving the site I accidentally found JWrecovery.  I had a peek and then joined.  Later I found this site, had a peek too and then joined.  I have since visited every ex JW site I can find.  I have found out all about Ray Franz, Barbara Anderson, Candace Conti and all the child abuse cases.  So thank you JW.org for opening my eyes to what I didn't have a clue about.  TTATT, wow!
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  JW.org and recruitment

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  do you believe the marketing of jay w org will convert more people or help inactive ones remain indoctrinated?

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  I'm no marketing expert and as a person diagnosed with Aspergers, I think differently from others.  In my Aspergers mind, the JW.org campaign is a turn off.  I know companies use logos to bring their company to people's minds when they see the logo.  It is very effective or they wouldn't use it.  

  However, in my search for God, I am not looking for a company or a logo.  I am not buying a car, opening a bank account or deciding where to buy my groceries for the week.  I am looking for Bible truth, not a catchy logo or theme song.  This means my life and it is not about whether I buy my food at Coles, Woolworths or Aldi or drive a Mazda or a Toyota.  It is about the truth of Jehovah and Jesus and needs much research.  A fish or a blue square are not going to cut it for me.  I think Ray Franz had the right idea.  He did his own thinking and then gathered with people in small groups where they could think, reason and discuss together. There were no religious or christian labels, or logos, just Bible study.  He had seen enough of organised religion, more than you or I have ever seen.
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  Meaningful Study

  by Awake at last in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

  anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

  yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

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  Thank you for your comments.  I think what you are all saying is that the WTBTS method is not effective for most people.  

  A question and supplied answer does not stimulate thinking, therefore if we don't have to think to get our answers, we do not concentrate as much and as a result, we don't remember as much, if anything about what we have just studied.  In my case, I became so brain dead that I didn't even put enough thought into it to even notice anomalies such as scriptures that are not relevant.  I was bored and just got the underlining done, no wonder I don't know anything and am only learning now.

  As I have said in other blogs, I left due to lack of love, lack of concern for the aged, disrespect for death and grieving and all this child abuse stuff, I wasn't aware of but now I am, it confirms my decision.  I also was not comfortable with counting time in field service and people committing to pioneering and then stressing about not achieving hours.  Is this what serving Jehovah is about, following the guidelines imposed by men?  Not for this little black duck!
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  simpleton jw reply

  by prologos in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  talking to a cherished "in" friend, i mentioned:.

  "how can you go door to door and represent these outlandish doctrines that make you different from the householders, .

  overlapping generations, abstaining from the eucharist, submission to leaders even in the face of unreasonable demands, failed, false prophecies?

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  Your cherished In Friend has got a huge future in the WBTS lol
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  Meaningful Study

  by Awake at last in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

  anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

  yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

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  To Magnum

  Thank you for your comments on this blog.  I was a bit wary of starting this as I am not really spiritual enough to cope with comments.

  To answer your question the essay is available on line.  The web page is 

  reasoningwithjws.blogspot.com.au.  If you are overseas, you may not need the au as Mark is American and I am Australian.

  When you go into the site, go to blog archive 2010 and click on What does the Bible really teach part 1.

  He says in the blog that Revelation 20 will be discussed in another article but I cannot find it on his site or anywhere else.  If you can find it, please let me know.  

  Mark has joined the Seventh Day Adventists and there is a video on YouTube.  He may or may not still be with them as he seemed to have many doubts and also declined to be baptised into the SDA's.  He wanted to use his JW baptism to symbolise his baptism to God.  He appears to be a bit unsettled, so do not know what he is currently doing.  I have thought about sending him a message, but haven't yet.

  Hope this is of some help to you.  If you do what I did, maybe you could check with another translation other than the NIV.
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  Meaningful Study

  by Awake at last in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i never thought i would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of bible research and study.

  anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that i am the most unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a kh.

  yet for the first time in my life, on saturday night, i did some meaningful bible study/research, on my own without a wtbts publication in sight, except the nwt bible.

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  I never thought I would be commenting, let alone starting a new topic in the category of Bible Research and Study.  Anyone reading my comments on this site would have realised that I am the most Unspiritual person to have ever stepped foot inside a KH.  Yet for the first time in my life, on Saturday night, I did some meaningful Bible study/research, on my own without a WTBTS publication in sight, except the NWT Bible.  My whole existence has been:

  Read the paragraph

  Read the corresponding question at the bottom of the page

  Look for the answer in the paragraph

  Underline the correct answer according to WTBTS

  Put an a or b in the margin if there are a and b parts to the question

  Move on to the next paragraph and keep going until all paragraphs have been answered

  In my 52 years of life, that was it.  Bible study done.  But Saturday night was different.  I read an essay by a former brother called Mark Martin.  I then read each scripture quoted very carefully from the NWT and then compared one with the Interlinear and the others were read also from the New International Version for a second opinion.  I have never done so much meaningful study in my life where I actually thought about it and didn't just underline.

  I actually enjoyed the study for the first time ever.  I am not suggesting that I am following Mark Martin, but I was reading and checking up on his comments.

  Just out of interest, the subject was The Resurrection of the Righteous and the Unrighteous, the First and Second Resurrections.

  So there you go.  My first spiritual topic.  How did you find the Orgs way of studying?  Effective or not effective?
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  What do YOU desperately need, but you've been putting it off?

  by TerryWalstrom in

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  2. friends

  i don't know why, but i put off getting a haircut way longer than i should.. i might go as long as 5 or 6 months between haircuts.. i desperately need a haircut.. what do you desperately need, but you've been putting it off?.

  (disclaimer: minimus is going to be jealous.

  this sort of question is his tradmark :).

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  Village Idiot, are you suggesting that you go weeks at a time between showers too?

  I have been putting off shortening my hubby's work trousers for months.
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  What do you think of a Movie about New World

  by paradisebeauty in

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  2. friends

  it looks like the movies about end of the days and the fantasy movies are very much in fashion.

  do you think a movie about the end of the system and the life in the new system could captivate the audiences?.

  after all more than 90 % of americans are christians and say they believe in the bible.

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  I watched a TV series called Resurrection.  It wasn't exactly about a new world but rather what could go wrong if the much awaited resurrection by JWs wasn't supervised properly.  Of course Jehovah would do everything correctly, but I do wonder what would happen if a woman came back and saw her husband married to someone else.  Just food for thought. 

  Has anyone else watched this series?  What are your thoughts?

  I enjoyed it but obviously the resurrections were back into this world and not the paradise.